Book of Revelation: Who are the Beasts and the Whore of Babylon?

The Book of Revelation speaks of two beasts in Revelation 13. Today we’ll look at how these beasts relate to the mysterious “Whore of Babylon” in Revelation 17 from a Catholic Preterist point of view.

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As I explained in last week’s free audio podcast, the first is the Sea Beast (arising from the sea) that symbolizes the pagan and idolatrous Roman Empire and its Emperors. This beast follows the exact description of the “Fourth Beast” described in the Prophet Daniel.

The second is the Land Beast (arising from the land) symbolizes the apostate Jewish leaders of the Temple in Jerusalem who condemned and killed their Messiah Jesus of Nazareth saying, “We have no king but Caesar.” How do these two beasts work together?

Revelation 13 describes the alliance and pact between the Sea Beast and the Land Beast to persecute Jesus and the followers of Jesus…and that’s exactly what happened after the Resurrection of Christ. Read the Acts of the Apostles and see how the Jews and the Romans worked together to persecute James, Stephen, Peter, Paul, and eventually the entire early Church of the first 40 years between AD 33 and AD 70.

The Whore of Babylon

A third personage is introduced to the mix in Revelation 17 is infamous the Whore of Babylon. She is undoubtedly the High Priesthood in Jerusalem that condemned not only James the Greater, Stephen, Peter, Paul, but eventually James of Jerusalem. We know the Whore of Babylon is the High Priesthood because she wears “purple and scarlet” (the vestment colors of the Jerusalem priests) and she is adorned in precious stones, which refers to the breastplate of precious stones that the Jewish High Priest wore during his liturgical services. She is said to be drunk on the blood of the martyrs.

The “Whore of Babylon” refers to how the Jewish priesthood has become a “whore” or “prostitute” providing her intimate services not to God but to pagan Rome. This is not surprising. Nearly all the Old Testament prophets refer to Israel’s infidelity toward God as “spiritual” whoredom, adultery, fornication, and prostitution. The fact that the High Priest literally condemned the Messianic Son of God and sold out this divine Son to the Roman Pontius Pilate is the greatest manifestation of prophetic and spiritual prostitution.

This is why the Whore of Babylon rides around on the back of Sea Beast. The apostate High Priesthood is supported by the idolatrous Beast of Rome.

The end of Revelation 17 explain how the Beast (Rome) will eventually turn on the Whore of Babylon (Jerusalem) and destroy her. This happened in AD 70 when Rome destroyed Jerusalem and burned its Temple.

Look for more on this. You can listen to my podcast on the 2 Beasts of Rev 13 by clicking here:

The Taylor Marshall Catholic Show Podcast #066: What is 666 and the Mark of the Beast?

In this podcast we saw how Satan and these two beasts stand for an unholy Trinity against Christ. Likewise, the Whore of Babylon stands against the immaculate, pure, and faithful Bride of Christ who also appears in Revelation. More on that later.

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  • John

    Thank you for explaining the beasts and the whore of babylon depicted in the book of revelation. I have always wondered how to interpret this enigmatic book. I prefer reading your writings rather than podcast (although I do listen to them regularly) because of convenience. In regard to other topics of interest, I always wondered why Jesus, raised in the trade of carpentry, didn’t use analogies of carpentry in his parables more often rather than vineyards, shepherds, seeds, goats and sheep.

    • Darren

      Perhaps the different analogies were used because of the audience. Who might of known more about agriculture than carpentry. Like a Missionary, He might of studied the people being preached to in advance. That’s an interesting question though.

    • Katherine

      You will find the references to vineyards, shepherds, seeds, goats, sheep, throughout all the prophecies of the Old Testament. Read Song of Songs, Psalms or Isaiah for starters. See in Songs that there is actually a twist in the last verses and references. We think the poem is about Solomon, but at the end, it is the owner of the vineyard who speaks instead:
      Songs 8:11-12
      Solomon had a vineyard at Baalhamon;
      he gave over the vineyard to caretakers.
      For its fruit one would have to pay
      a thousand silver pieces.
      My vineyard is at my own disposal;
      the thousand pieces are for you, O Solomon,
      and two hundred for the caretakers of its fruit.
      I interpret this as: Solomon was a Jewish king. He was also an occultist and worshiped Egyptian idols due to his wife being daughter of a pharaoh. He ruled Israel and all its priests and therefore had a ‘vineyard’. He fell due to blending idol worship with Judaism. Basically, they could pay for rewards, hexes, mediums, or occultism.
      Then the narrator changes to first person. ‘My vineyard’; that is the Lord. He is giving Solomon his due reward in money, his only compensation because he did not keep the true faith. Then he delegates a small payment to the caretakers; the gentiles, probably the corrupt high priests that many Catholic and Biblical prophecies say will be punished in the last days. But they did keep His church going, after all, so they get a small reward.
      Songs 8:13-14 is referring to the Bride and Spirit calling for the Lord to come and return to rule His kingdom, as described at the end of Revelations.
      O garden-dweller,
      my friends are listening for your voice,
      let me hear it!
      Be swift, my lover,
      like a gazelle or a young stag
      on the mountain of spices!
      My interpretation only.

  • HammerDoc

    While I accept this preterist interpretation of these passages, I also accept that God is FULLY capable of writing a prophecy that is relevant–and prophetic–of different times in history. When this happens, the earlier “reveal” or reveals is/are usually a shadow or foreshadowing of the final “reveal.” Do you think that it could be possible that the “Daughter of Babylon/Babylon The Great” (DoB/BTG) spoken of in Christian history could have an Eschatological identity as well as a First Century one?
    I have heard some interesting (and concerning) possible End Times identities for this entity, DoB/BTG. Most can be dismissed on Scriptural grounds, but at least one is harder for me to disprove Scripturally. That aside, I would ask whether you think these passages could possibly have an Eschatological identity.
    My reasons for asking are first that Rome destroyed Jerusalem in 70 AD, yet Revelation was not written until the 90’s. Therefore it could not really be considered prophecy if it was SOLELY referring to the 70 AD destruction, it would only be history. Secondly, Scripture states that the entity referred to as the DoB/BTG is completely wiped out, “in a single moment of a single hour, on a single day.” This also does not seem to 100% fit the c. 70 AD destruction of the Jewish temple. (I am not denying that it may refer in part to 70 AD, and of course I would NEVER question the veracity of Scripture itself, no matter to what it is referring.)
    Thank you for your time.

    • Nick_from_Detroit

      HammerDoc,
      The preterist interpretation doesn’t rule out the historicist view, as well as a futurist interpretation. It is perfectly fine to hold that the prophesies contained in Mt.24, Mk.13, Lk.21 (the Olivet Discourse), & the Apoc. had their primary fulfillment from A.D.30 to 70; then also applied to every generation thereafter, during the Church Age; and will have their ultimate fulfillment at the end of time during the Final Judgment (see Catechism of the Catholic Church, p.1020 – 1050).
      Plus, there is good evidence that Rev. was written prior to A.D. 70. It begins with John saying that his vision “must soon take place” (Rv.1:1); and ends with Christ saying, “Surely I am coming soon” (22:20). John also assumes that the Temple is still standing (11:1). Christ also says that “this generation” will see the things that He foretold (Mt.24:34).
      I hope that helps. God Bless!

      • HammerDoc

        It does. Thank you.

        • Nick_from_Detroit

          You’re very welcome. Have a blessed Easter.

    • Pro-Huntsman

      Are you a Christian? 🙂

  • I really appreciate that your explanations of this difficult book. I would love to hear a complete podcast series on the topic. I have similar questions on Matthew 24. I do wonder though, whether there is still some application to future.

  • Bershawn300

    Does this interpretation rule out the possibility that events in Rev. could also have had a ‘future’ or apocalyptic meaning? IOW, could it be referring both to events in St. John’s immediate time as well as in end-times? Also, I’m confused then by the dating then of the book of Revelation — when would you date it? Thanks for all you do Dr. Marshall.

    • In the podcast I explain how Catholics follow a preterist (past) and futurist (future) reading of Revelation with the former as a theological type of the latter.

  • Alejandro I. Sanchez

    Thank you for this explanation. Differing interpretations of the Book of Revelation make it a little intimidating to read but this post clears up a lot in a concise and clear way.

  • Todd

    I would love a pod cast exploring all the aspects of the book of Revelation. In particular, I would like to hear more about authentic Catholic interpretation of how it relates to the end times, especially as it has been interpreted by the Fathers and Doctors.

  • Robert

    I, like several others, am interested in what the book of Revelation means for the future. I have heard a similar interpretation to yours from Scott Hahn in his series The End. The problem with the idea that these events have already occurred is that it is obvious that not all of them occurred. We haven’t seen all of the seal, bowl, and trumpet judgements. The antichrist could not have been Nero because he did not take over the entire world. The mark of the beast has not been applied to everyone’s forehead or hand.

    I would love to see a detailed presentation of what Catholic thought is on the end times. What will happen to the world during that time? How can we know when that season is upon us? How can we reliably recognize the antichrist ? We need to do this to respond to the pop-culture presentation of end times theology such as the Left Behind series. Are Lahaye and Jenkins way off base or do they get some things right?

    I have read Revelation many times in various translations. I read it again a few months back and took 50 pages of notes using various study Bibles and commentaries. I still feel that I don’t really understand it. I sometimes wonder if anyone does. Please do a podcast series on it so we Catholics can know how to approach this book and how it relates to the future of our Church.

    • Dhaniele

      It seems to me that the secrets of the book are “sealed” and it is up to the Lion of Judah to reveal them to us.

    • Katherine

      Try reading ‘Catholic Prophecy: the Coming Chastisement’ by Yves DuPont, and ‘Prophecy for Today’ by Edward Connor. There is another ebook called the ‘End Times: Catholic Prophecy’ which is similar but not as in depth as the first two.
      Revelations has not occurred yet. Although, I do think that the title is relevant to a ‘revolution’ of prophecies. Certain aspects are repeated. But many things in the book have not occurred yet.
      When you read the Catholic prophecies, along with the Books of the Prophets in the Bible, and also the messages the Blessed Virgin Mary gave to seers at Fatima, LaSalette, Anguera (not approved yet) and others, there is a very close correlation between the predicted events in the bible, words of Mary, and prophecies of the seers.
      The seers also add relevant descriptions of objects, modes of transport, weapons, society, social trends and philosophies that definitely describe the times we are living in right now in the 20th and 21st century.
      Take that with the revelation given to Pope Leo on the 100 years given to Satan to try to destroy mankind and faith.
      It’s predicted that a big war, civil riots, and natural disasters will be our chastisements and within in a very short period of time of each other, along with the threat of an asteroid hitting the earth, which is described in Revelations also.

      The antichrist’s ‘name’ equals 666. It ‘represents’ a man. That is the hexagram in 3D. Every dimension is a mathematical equation of 6. I’m not a mathematician, but I’ve seen a website explaining it. The man it represents is David, although, if you read ‘The Six-Pointed Star’ by Dr OJ Graham, he fully explains its origins, how the Jews brought about their own downfall by worshiping it, and that it was never used by David, but by his son Solomon, who was heavily into occultism: the Seal of Solomon.
      It is wrong to have any symbol of the hexagram in your house, as stated in Amos 5:24. The logo of Freemasonry is the compass and square, a stonemason’s tools, but if you look closely it also represents the hexagram. Research the Rothchild family for the origin of it in modern times and how Israel came to use it.
      The Mark of the Beast will be an ID biochip controlled by governments and banks. They have already developed it and it become compulsory when all countries have a Central Bank. It will have all our bank account access, social security, passport, etc to enable us to access all vital accounts. It will be inserted behind the eyebrow or on the forearm to correlate with a fingerprint or iris scan for added ID security. Their aim is to have everybody under control. Then new laws that are ‘antichrist’ will be brought in. Anybody who doesn’t comply will have their chip switched off and starve to death out on the streets.
      Re: the unopened seals. Only the small scroll has not been revealed: the cries of the seven thunders, in Revelations 10. THAT is the event of the great chastisements. Do you know what the wrath of God and seven thunders sound like? Terrifying. In fact, the Blessed Virgin has said in one of her apparitions, LaSallette maybe, that her warnings are the secrets of the unopened seal: the great chastisements. I refer you again to the Biblical prophets, Catholic prophecies, and Mary’s messages.
      I think God didn’t reveal the seal because in the past, the occultists have managed to avoid his wrath. eg, the exodus, Kings, etc. They use mediums and occultism to predict what will happen, along with the prophecies of scriptures eg, the birth of Jesus and the slaughter of the innocents to try to get rid of Jesus who was a threat to their reign. it won’t happen again. They will try to use science to avoid it this time. But it won’t work.
      However, the Blessed Virgin has obviously begged on behalf of us and revealed what is in the scroll so that we may be prepared. Pray the rosary. Take the Eucharist for added strength.
      From Mary’s Anguera messages to Pedro Regis, I took the core events and organised them, then posted them onto a facebook page in notes. One of those events is that an asteroid or comet will be drawn towards the earth due to a break in the magnetic fields of the north and south pole. The axis will tilt (see Is 24) and perhaps flip over, causing a major change in the earth’s landscape, seasons, and time. Everything will be renewed, although there will be many deaths. The world will return to simple traditions and crafts/trades without big industries or business empires. It will be the ‘end of time’, I think, because the transit of stars, planets, sun across our sky will be completely altered and a new method of measuring time will have to be created and introduced. All occultism will be destroyed, which is based on ancient Egyptology, because it is based on astronomy and astrology. The ‘power of the heavens will be shaken’.
      Anyway, soon after posting that on facebook, Obama said in a speech about scientific achievements that soon they will have a method to destroy any asteroids that may pose a problem to the earth. We’ll leave that to open to God then, won’t we. 🙂

  • Dan

    Yes, a full podcast series on the book of Revelation would be greatly appreciated.

  • A J MacDonald Jr

    The “Whore of Babylon” refers to how the Jewish nation had become a “whore” or “prostitute”. Jesus’ condemnation of the Jewish nation in Matthew 23:37-39 is a covenantal decree of divorce, in keeping with Jesus’ lone exception for divorce: whoredom (see: the Greek text of Matthew 19:9).

  • terryhjones

    “Would you like me to do a full podcast series on the book of Revelation? ”

    by all means! a convert, i grew up on a steady diet of what the book “really” means. i always pictured medieval monks, toiling away in the scriptoria, painstakingly copying Revelations and grumbling “i’ll be glad when the 20th century gets here so we can figure out what this means”.

    • Teresa Davis

      I really enjoyed your comment! The visual of monks toiling away in scriptoria..was super hilarious! If you have a blog..I’d love to follow it! Keep up the great writing rhetoric!

  • Linda White Besink

    Revelation is probably the most difficult Bible book to understand. A podcast series would be wonderful!

    • Thomas Poovathinkal SSP

      Spiritual things are basically caught spiritually and not….intellectually.

  • Jacob

    Each time I read those passages, it becomes clearer that as the whore referred and refers to the Jewish priesthood who sold themselves for a place in the world, it also refers to the current priesthood in the Church of our worldly bishops (purple) and our cardinals (scarlet) who are drunk with power and have fornicated with the world. Why else would the saints be lamenting and asking Our Lord how long to be avenged for the violations taking place at the altar of God?

  • Kristine

    This is not about Revelation. That seems to me the culmination, and most fantastic Book. My request is more toward the basics. You mentioned in one podcast you might move from a Proverb of the Week to a Scripture. I think the Beatitudes would be very suitable for this, and inspirational, as would the Psalms. As well, a focus on how we can walk with Christ as a theme would be very welcome. I know this is the overall gist of the podcasts, but I do think singling this out as a theme for a few would be helpful. Your voice, Dr. Marshall, is frequently the last I hear on any given day, and to go to sleep and wake up with these thoughts would be very welcome. Thank you for all you do. I pray for you and our community. I am posting as a guest because I couldn’t get the sig in to work.

  • Kristine

    I would add, that while analyzing the Bible as if it were literature is helpful to a certain extent, there is far more power in its basic understanding as truth- just that.

  • Carol Ann

    Yes please do a series on Revelation. Very interesting so far.

  • And the Revelation is our time and in the future? Figures and types appear up to a prophecy’s fulfillment. Chief priests and scribes and the Jews are the type of the Pope and the Church Hierarchy and the Church. Babylon no doubt is Rome. And what now or in the future is the seven heads [which are] the seven hills, and the woman [is] sitting on them? [Cf. Rev 17:9]. If the High Priest betrayed the Messianic Son of God, will a Pope betray his body the Church? And where is the Antichrist in all of this?

  • JW

    Please include any other interpretation such as Scott Hang interpretation.
    Would definitely like to hear an in depth discussion

  • Julie

    I love your discussions. I would definitely like to hear a podcast that covers all of the Book of Revelation. Thank you.

  • Brad

    Dr. Marshall, you shouldn’t just do a podcast series, but rather just write a book on authentic Catholic Eschatology/Revelation interpretation.

  • Lois

    Thank you for explaining “The Whore of Babylon.” The way it is talked about in the world today is as if the Pope is the whore. Yes, please do a podcast on the Book of Revelation.

  • Michael Malloy

    Yes, a series on Revelation would be great. I agree that reviewing the Catholic position on eschatology would be helpful.

  • kgh111861

    “Question: Would you like me to do a full podcast series on the book of Revelation?” Answer: Yes.

  • Darren

    What about Martin Luther’s interpretation? How are the Sacraments like the Mass and the book of Revelation related? A podcast on the Whore would be beneficial.

  • Daly

    Would you like me to do a full podcast series on the book of Revelation?
    YES PLEASE!
    revelation is maybe the hardest book to understand. A podcast series would be great!

  • Greg

    Dr Marshall, thank you so much for your podcasts and notes. God bless you. I learn so much from you. I too would love a series on Revelation. As former protestant, I’m still trying to put the left behind series behind me…

  • Kevin Ganey

    It’s interesting for me to read this today, as when I first discovered the harlot and company back in December of 2011, it came as a result of anti-Catholic fundamentalists who asserted that the Catholic Church was the Whore of Babylon, and when you’re sucked into propaganda like that, it’s hard to pull yourself out. God bless Taylor Marshall and all other honest scholars of the faith.

  • Xavier

    Thank you for this. I think both beasts manifest a single source – Satan, and cunning he is, he can make it appear as two hostile and opposing ideologies. This seems to happen even in the modern world where extreme ideologies oppose each other – Nazism against Communism, liberal secularism against religious extremism.

  • JD

    I won’t be a Catholic until Easter so it’s all new to me. My RCIA teacher said Catholics believe the preterist Bible interpretation and the interpretation that revelation hasn’t yet been fulfilled. Are you going to teach on revelation as it pertains to the future? I love your teaching, I wish I had more hours in the day to read, my mind can’t stay still long enough to listen to podcasts, I have to read. Thx.

  • paul ernst

    I am not Catholic but this is spot on. I wish I could get more evangelicals to see it.

  • ADAM

    The Apostle Paul’s allegory of Hagar seems to support the identification of the Whore of Babylon as “the present Jerusalem, for she is in slavery along with her children….just as the child of the flesh persecuted the child of the spirit, it is the same now.” (Gal 4:25, 29)

  • Ken39

    I think that your interpretation of Revelation is incorrect and that you should stick to the advice at the end of that book.

  • Nettie

    I absolutely would love it if you did an entire series on Revelation. I think we’re living during the End Times, and understanding what the 7 trumpets, etc. represent would be helpful.

  • Fr. Patrick Fodor

    A study of the Apocalypse, from a Catholic partial (not hyper) Preterist position, with integrated patristic commentary, and complementary elements from futurist, historicist, and idealist perspectives, would be an important service.

    • ADAM

      Google: Blessed John Henry Newman’s remarkable essay (4 Lectures)
      THE PATRISTICAL IDEA OF ANTICHRIST

  • Maranatha

    We will study the book of revelation in the fall study group. I would love any information you can provide.

  • Christian

    Why do some denominations of Christianity that are antagonistic towards the Catholic Church claim that the Catholic Church is the whore of Babylon?

    • Nick_from_Detroit

      I’m no expert, Christian, but, mostly, it’s because of the belief that all references to Babylon in the books of the New Testament pertain to Rome. (Rome is certainly referred to as “Babylon” in some parts, but, not exclusively.) In the Old Testament, though, Babylon, Sodom, Egypt are all used to refer to Jerusalem. Babylon is called the “Great City” many times in the Apocalypse. So is Jerusalem, in Jeremiah 22:8.
      But, most of all, Jerusalem is called a harlot many times in the Old Testament: Is. 1:21; Jer. 2:20ff; 30-32; 3:1-3; 5:7-9; Ezk.16:2,7,8,14-15,35-39; and ch 23, all of Hosea.

      Also, the fire in Rome, that Nero blamed on the Christians, is seen as more proof. Even though Nero’s fire didn’t destroy Rome completely, as Jerusalem was in A.D.70. John’s vision makes clear that Babylon, “the great city,” was completely destroyed (see Rev.17:16; 18:2,8).

      Another neat fact is that Rome’s Seven Hills do not include Vatican Hill, which some Protestants think is sure proof that the Whore of Babylon is the Catholic Church (Rev.17:9).
      I hope that partially answers your question. God Bless!

    • Thomas Poovathinkal SSP

      May be because we have too many worldly concerns and in our Priests, Bishops et al people don’t sense Christ The Lord or the power of the Word is not experienced in preaching.

  • Jack Kaczmarczyk

    I want you to walk through ALL the books, Dr. Marshall.

  • Rickie

    I find your teaches very insightfull. Could you explain the seven seals.

    • Nick_from_Detroit

      Rickie,
      Dr. Scott Hahn, in his series The End, explains that the seven seals were used in the First Century, A.D., on legal documents & family covenants, especially a last will and testament. In Roman law, 6 witnesses would put their seals on the covenant document along with the testator’s seal. When the testator died, the 7 seals would be broken open, and the inheritance read to the family. The new covenant would be put into effect.
      When the Lion of the Tribe of Judah, the King of Kings, in the line of David, gives up His life as a sacrifice, the seals are opened by the One worthy to open them: Christ the King. Christ had no “son” who would be king, He is the last Davidic King; therefore, only He is worthy to open the seals.
      The faithful sons of the family inherit the Kingdom, while the faithless sons receive the curses recorded in the covenant (Dt. 27-29; 30:1,3,6). The Isrealites swore a covenant oath to God (shiva in Hebrew, to seven oneself) in which they accepted the curses God said would befall them for disobedience (see also Joshua 8:30-35).
      The curses were first fulfilled in 586 B.C., when Solomon’s Temple was destroyed and Judah was forced into exile for 70 years. They were completely fulfilled in A.D. 70 when the Sevenfold Curse is revisited on Isreal (cf. Lev.26:14ff).
      I hope that helps a little. God Bless!

      • Rickie

        Sent from Windows Mail

        Yes it did and Thank You.

        • Nick_from_Detroit

          You’re very welcome, Rickie.

  • Mary McGuire

    Thank Mr. Marshall,
    I was able to add to my notes in Rev. 17 & yes, I would like to listen to a whole podcast on Rev. I have your books; but listening & then going back into the Bible helps me put it all together better!

  • Jacqueline Candello

    I would very much like more podcasts on the book of Revelation. It helps tremendously with my apologetics. I am understanding more about the true history surrounding this book. Perhaps it would help to go a step further and explain why the Protestant’s understanding is so “off” about this particular book.

  • ADAM

    Blessed John Henry Newman republished as a Catholic his remarkable essay THE PATRISTICAL IDEA OF ANTICHRIST from his earlier Advent Sermons:

    “Our Lord foretold that many should come in His name, saying, ‘I am Christ.’ It was the judicial punishment of the Jews, as of all unbelievers in one way or another, that, having rejected the true Christ, they should take up with a false one; and Antichrist will be the complete and perfect seducer, towards whom all who were previous are approximations, according to the words just now quoted, ‘If another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.’ (Jn 5:43). To the same purport are St. Paul’s words after describing Antichrist; ‘whose coming,’ he says, ‘is … with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish, because they received not the love of the Truth, that they might be saved. And FOR THIS CAUSE God shall send them strong delusion that they should believe a lie, that they all might be damned who believed not the Truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.’ (2 Th 2:9-12).

    Hence, considering that Antichrist would pretend to be the Messiah, it was of old the received notion that he was to be of Jewish race and to observe the Jewish rites. Further, St. Paul says that Antichrist should ‘sit in the Temple of God;’ (2 Th 2:4) that is, according to the earlier Fathers, in the Jewish Temple. Our Saviour’s own words may be taken to support this notion, because He speaks of ‘the Abomination of Desolation”’(which, whatever other meanings it might have, in its fullness denotes Antichrist) ‘standing in the HOLY PLACE.’ (Mt 24:15). Further, the persecution of Christ’s witnesses which Antichrist will cause is described by St. John as taking place in JERUSALEM. ‘Their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, (which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt), where also our Lord was crucified.’ (Rev 11:8).

    Now here a remark may be made. At first sight, I suppose, we should not consider that there was much evidence from the Sacred Text for Antichrist taking part with the Jews, or having to do with their Temple. It is, then, a very remarkable fact, that the apostate emperor Julian, who was a type and earnest of the great enemy, should, as he did, have taken part with the Jews, and set about building their Temple (AD 363). Here the history is a sort of comment on the prophecy, and sustains and vindicates those early interpretations of it which I am reviewing. Of course I must be understood to mean, and a memorable circumstance it is, that this belief of the Church that Antichrist should be connected with the Jews, was expressed long before Julian’s time, and that we still possess the works in which it is contained. In fact we have the writings of two Fathers, both Bishops and martyrs of the Church, who lived at least one hundred and fifty years before Julian, and less than one hundred years after St. John. They both distinctly declare Antichrist’s connection with the Jews.

    The first of them, St. Irenaeus (AD 130-202), speaks as follows: ‘In the Temple which is at Jerusalem, the adversary will sit, endeavouring to show himself to be the Christ.’ (Adversus Haereses, v. 25). And the second, St. Hippolytus (AD 170-235): ‘Antichrist will be he who shall resuscitate the kingdom of the Jews.’ (De Antichristo, v. 25). St. Cyril of Jerusalem, Doctor of the Church (AD 313-386) also speaks of Antichrist rebuilding the Jewish Temple; and he too wrote before
    Julian’s attempt, and (what is remarkable) prophesied it would fail, because of the prophecies.” (J. H. NEWMAN, LECTURE 2: RELIGION OF THE ANTICHRIST)

    • Nick_from_Detroit

      Adam,
      Many scholars conclude that the “desolating sacrilege” predicted by Christ in Mt.24, Mk.13 happened prior to A.D.70. They don’t all agree what it was, precisely, but, it surely happened before the destruction of the Temple.
      There were many who claimed to be the messiah from A.D.30/33 to 70. There were wars, and rumors of wars, and famines, and earthquakes.

      If you read the Jewish historian Josephus’ Antiquities & Jewish War, he describes the wondrous signs seen at the Temple (e.g., a star in the shape of sword, a heifer that gave birth to a lamb on the altar, a bright light shining from inside the Temple, voices heard saying, “Let us depart” (War 6:5:3)).
      Therefore, the Temple does not have to be rebuilt to fulfill Christ’s prophecy, or Saint John’s vision in the Apocalypse. The reason the Temple was destroyed was because of the sacrilege and desecration by the High Priests and Jewish zealots/leaders from A.D.62 to 70. But, primarily it was because of Christ’s sacrifice on Calvary. Christ replaced all Temple sacrifices…for ever. So, Temple sacrifices will never resume because the Temple will never be rebuilt, according to God plan.
      I believe that is why God allowed the Moslems to conquer Jerusalem and build the Dome of the Rock on the Temple Mount.

      • ADAM

        Newman replies: “As to the Jews, since they lived before the event, it is no wonder, that, though they were right in their general interpretation of Scripture as far as it went, they stopped short of the whole truth; nay, that even when their Messiah came, they could not recognize Him as the promised King as we recognize Him now;—for we have the experience of His history for nearly two thousand years, by which to interpret their Scriptures.
        We may partly understand their position towards those prophecies, by our own at present towards the Apocalypse. Who can deny the superhuman grandeur and impressiveness of that sacred book?
        Yet, as a prophecy, though some outlines of the future are discernible, how differently it affects us from the predictions of Isaiah! either because it relates to undreamed-of events still to come, or because it has been fulfilled long ago in events which in their detail and circumstance have never become history.
        The same remark applies doubtless to portions of the Messianic prophecies still; but, if their fulfillment has been thus gradual in time past, we must not be surprised though portions of them still await their slow but true accomplishment in the future.
        (J. H. NEWMAN: GRAMMAR OF ASSENT, CHAPTER 10)

        • Nick_from_Detroit

          Adam,
          I would agree with every word of Cardinal Newman’s, which you just provided. The preterist view does not necessarily preclude historicist and futurist views.
          There have been anti-Christs in every generation of Christianity since the Acts of the Apostles. And, there will be a general repeating of these themes before the Last Judgment. Just as the events of A.D. 70 mirrored those of 586 B.C. But, this does not mean that a 3rd Temple will be part of it.
          When you realize that the Holy Eucharist replaced the need for animal sacrifice because Christ’s sacrifice at Calvary was the reality of what the Temple sacrifices were only symbols. I.e., that the animals stood in for the people, who offered them as victims, and shed their blood in place of the people in atonement for their sins; it becomes clear that Christ’s sacrifice at the Holy Mass is the perfect fulfillment of what the Temple was an imperfect means to forgive our sins.
          God Bless!

          • ADAM

            Google: TEMPLE INSTITUTE
            (from the Israeli Jewish website) – “The Temple Institute
            is dedicated to every aspect of the Holy Temple of Jerusalem, and the central role it fulfilled, and WILL ONCE AGAIN FULFILL. The Institute’s work touches upon the history of the Holy Temple’s past, an understanding of the present day, and the Divine promise of Israel’s future. THE TEMPLE INSTITUTE’S ULTIMATE GOAL IS TO SEE ISRAEL REBUILD THE HOLY TEMPLE ON MOUNT MORIAH IN JERUSALEM.”

          • Nick_from_Detroit

            Adam,
            I’m well aware that there are Jewish groups that are planning the rebuilding of the Temple, along with many Evangelical Protestant ministries. But, it’s not going to happen as long as the Dome of the Rock and Al Aqsa mosques still stand. Any attempt to tear them down will result in a conflagration of the Middle East.
            Every year, at the end of the Passover Seder meal, Jews around the world pray, “Next year in Jerusalem.” Every day, observant Jews, in their thrice-daily prayers, ask God to allow the rebuilding of the Temple. I don’t believe it’s going to happen. When Julian the Apostate wanted the Jews to rebuild the Temple, in A.D. 363, to prove Christ was wrong about not one stone of the Temple remaining upon another, God stopped them with fire and earthquakes.

  • SallyWallyDoodle

    I’d love access to a full study of Revelation from the perspective of the Catholic Church. As a recent convert, lately from a reformed theological position and raised in a more dispensational “tradition,” I’m steeped in Revelation being simply a confusing (to me) escatology and I am fascinated by the Churxh’s take from my limited exposure so far! I would prefer to read it, tho. (Visual learner, busy, distractable mom, etc.) My husband, on the other hand, often
    enjoys your podcasts.

    Thanks for asking.

  • Michael

    I have truly enjoyed these podcast and discussions from the book of Revelation. In the future, could you talk about the 7 seals, the seven trumpets, and the seven bowls? I have truly grown in my faith by reading and listening to you. Hopefully soon I can join the St Thomas School. Until then, I will keep listening and reading all your post. May God bless your work. Please pray for me as I pray for you.

  • bobby c

    A full podcast series on Revelation would be fantastic!

  • Maria Gabriela Salvarrey Rodri

    Yes please, do a full podcast series on Rev. and I’d like it to include preterist and futurist interpretation. I’m facinated by this book and yet it’s one of the most difficult to understand.
    Thank you so much for all that you teach may God reward you abundantly.

  • JumpinJax

    We really enjoy your talks, and this is a very interesting topic. If possible, could you talk about why some protestants think that the Pope is the AntiChrist? In particular, a defense we could use would be helpful. God reward you for your efforts and encouragement. 🙂

  • Gillian

    Hi there, I would love you to do a podcast on Revelation. It is so confusing. God bless you and your family.

  • Dhaniele

    What about the seven hills?

  • Thank you @ADAM. My comments were meant for Dr. Marshall for him to see how he can incorporate into his podcast. I am mainly interested in Revelation in Our Time and future vs. a preterist interpretation (as other are also requesting). Such interpretation also ought to follow Church Tradition, Church Fathers, Saints & Doctors, and approved/not condemned prophecies.

  • Katherine

    In reading Catholic prophecies (Yves DuPont, Connor) containing a summary of thousands of writings of seers from various locations around the world, dating back to the 1st century, Revelations becomes clearer. I’ve come to see the two beasts, or beast and dragon, as two arms of Freemasonry. They fight each other for domination, but that is the goal of Freemasonry to bring in a sole and tyrannical world government as Revelations describes the antichrist as being. (Similar to Game of Thrones). The same happened in WW1 and WW2, secretly, with the main goal being to get into Jerusalem to rebuild the Temple to practice the ‘craft’. This has been the goal of Freemasons for centuries. An article was published in 1912 in New York Times saying this: ‘Scheme of Freemasons: and Opinion of Jews on Rebuilding the Temple’. The whore wears the same colours of the Church also. There are many prophecies referring to the destruction and renewal of the Church under a ‘grand monarch’ who is a traditionalist; occurring after the great chastisements. Rothchild and Co. own all the treasures of the Vatican now. That occurred sometime in the 1800s. The Vatican Bank is also operated by them, I think. Pretty sure.

    • Nick_from_Detroit

      Katherine,
      I would ditch that book, if I were you. Saint John’s Apocalypse has nothing to do with freemasonry. God Bless!

  • kelso

    Great article. But how does this relate to the time of the Antichrist and the False prophet and the “Beast” at this time? Revelation has the dragon giving power to the beast, the dragon understood to be antichrist, no? And then there is the ‘false prophet”: And I saw from the mouth of the dragon, and from the mouth of the beast, and from the mouth of the false prophet, three unclean spirits like frogs. (Rev. 16:13) Don’t have time to read all the comments now. Maybe you’ve already addressed this.

  • Catharine

    Yes, definitely. I would like to see a careful exposition of the acceptable sacrifice of the Mass and how it is interwoven throughout Revelation (“the supper of the Lamb”).
    Also, I would like to see the various wacko theories out there (too many to enunciate here) debunked, particularly that the Roman Catholic Church and/or the Pope are somehow the mysterious Whore of Babylon.
    Last, I would like to see explained and debunked, the various erroneous theories, usually by non-Catholics, to the effect that the Antichrist is already alive and visibly present, or is coming very quickly. A careful student of Catholic public revelation, esp. direct quotes from Jesus Himself, and also St. Paul and St. John, make clear that in one sense of the word, anyone who denies that Jesus Christ is the Son of God come in the flesh is an antichrist. Also, that since Jesus Himself said that it is not given to us to know specific times or dates that the Father has fixed by His own inscrutable designs, anyone who claims to have “pegged” this mystery of our faith is at best sadly mistaken, and, unfortunately, far more likely to be a quick-buck artist.
    There have been so many self-assured, well-intentioned but 100% erroneous persons who claim to know dates and times for both the Antichrist and the end of the world, that it would be a little funny if it were not such a serious topic. They have proven themselves to be wrong 100% of the time, but they still keep right at it.
    This might wind up being a whole shelfful of books!

    • TIM197834

      Revelation 17 –
      1 And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters:2 With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication.3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:5 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.7 And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns.8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.15 And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.16 And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.17 For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.

      Isaiah 1:21 – How is the faithful city become a harlot! it was full of judgment; righteousness lodged in it; but now murderers. MY COMMENTS : THESE 2 SCRIPTURES IS OBVIOUSLY REFERRING TO THE VATICAN AND ROME IN THE LAST DAYS . 17:1-2 The Judgment of the Harlot of Babylon: Chapters 17, 18 and part of 19 deal with the judgment of Babylon the Great. In Revelation 17:1-6 The crimes for which God executes judgment upon the harlot, the Roman Papal system, are enumerated; in 17:7-18 her punishment and the means by which it will come to pass is pronounced. She is called “The Great Whore.” According to Ephesians 5, Jesus is the spiritual husband of the church; therefore if a church unites with or receives favors of one who is not her husband, she commits spiritual adultery. The “kings of the earth” represent civil powers. When churches lose the power of the gospel to transform hearts and lives they turn to the power of the state to support their doctrines and thus they commit spiritual fornication. The “many waters” are the countless people (vs. 15) she has deceived and “made drunk” with her doctrines. 2. -6 The main difference between the beast of Revelation 13 and the combined power represented by the beast and the woman here is that a distinction is made between the religious and political aspects of Papal power. The “scarlet colored beast” represents the governments. The woman—the apostate church—rides upon the beast, symbolizing the church controlling the state. In contrast to the pure church of Revelation 12 this woman is “arrayed in purple and scarlet…with gold” and jewelry. 3. She is a part of “Babylon,” the great city that Satan has set up in opposition to the New Jerusalem of God. The Roman Catholic Church has proudly styled herself as “The Mother Church,” but here she is called “The Mother of Harlots.” From the mother have come the various Protestant denominations which profess to be clean and pure, vehemently rejecting the corruptions of the Catholic Church. But these churches have shown a distressing tendency to follow their mother’s example of sacrificing truth and the approval of God and to seek the power of the state to enforce doctrine, and thus they choose to become harlots with their mother. 4. She is truly “drunk with the blood of the saints.” History records the deeds of the papacy as it used the state to persecute and kill millions of faithful Christians during the Dark Ages. The Catholic Church has disguised herself with humble apologies for these actions, but she has not changed. The same spirit of persecution with again be exhibited against God’s faithful children who will not drink the wine of her corruption just before the second coming of Christ. 5. 17:7-11 The beast has “seven heads and ten horns.” The seven heads are said to be “seven mountains on which the woman sitteth” (vs. 9) and “seven kings” (vs.10). These heads are the same as the ones on the dragon of Revelation 12 and the beast of Revelation 13. They represent the great world empires which Satan uses to persecute God’s people. Five of these powers which have been noted in the books of Daniel and Revelation are Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece, Pagan Rome and Papal Rome. At the end of time, the power of Papal Rome is greater than ever, her deadly wound is healed and she again strongly persecutes God’s people as in former years. The revived Roman Catholic Church unites with apostate Protestants and spiritists to form a religious-political entity that is supported by the governments of the world. The historic center of Rome was built on seven hills and has been known since ancient times as the “City of Seven Hills.” The phrase “seven mountains on which the woman sitteth” also serves to link the “woman” with the city of Rome establishing her once again as the Roman Catholic Church. MORE COMMENTARY REGARDING MYSTERY BABYLON……….. What is the one church that people would look at with awe and wonder? The Roman Catholic Church, with all her splendor and pomp. Millions of people flock to the Vatican each year and wonder at the “majesty” and splendor of the place.IDENTITY 8 – Revelation 17:9 …’And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.’Does this match the Roman Catholic Church? Yes. The Vatican is situated in Rome, and early Rome was known as the city of seven hills. Those hills being, Aventine Hill; Caelian Hill; Capitoline Hill; Esquiline Hill; Palatine Hill; Quirinal Hill; Viminal Hill. Are there other cities around the world with seven hills? Yes, but when you take into account ALL of the other characteristics of Babylon the Great, then only the Roman Catholic Church matches them all perfectly.So who is the whore of Babylon? The Roman Catholic Church. No other church, religion, kingdom or institution matches her like the Papal Church of Rome does. And God is calling His people out of Babylon and the other fallen churches of the world (Babylon’s daughters).It’s not just the Roman Catholic Church that God is calling His people out of. There is a great ecumenical movement happening today that is uniting all churches and faiths together. So if your church accepts this ecumencial movement, then you need to come out of that church also. Revelation 17 says that Babylon has daughters, and her daughters are the Protestant churches that came out of the Roman Catholic Church during the reformation. But are now heading back to Rome! Please heed the call! ARRAYED IN PURPLE AND SCARLET IS THE OFFICIAL COLORS OF THE CARDINALS , HOLDING A GOLDEN CUP IN HER HAND FILLED WITH ABOMINATIONS = THE GOLDEN CUP THE VATICAN USES DURING MASS. ALL OF THIS SHOULD BE PLENTY ENOUGH HERE TO UNDERSTAND AND REALIZE WHO AND WHAT THE SCRIPTURES IS REFERRING TO. IS THIS ENOUGH PROOF FROM THIS SO CALLED WACKO BAPTIST PROTESTANT OR CONSPIRACY THEORIST? THIS IS A VERY SIMPLE STEP BY STEP EXPLAINATION OF THESE SCRIPTURES THAT PRACTICALLY ANYONE WHO SIMPLY CAN READ AND UNDERSTAND THE OBVIOUS SHOULD BE ABLE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT AND WHO THE SCRIPTURES IS REFERRING TO. QUITE SIMPLY, I DON’T NEED ANYONE TO TELL ME THAT I PROVED MY CASE HERE. ESPECIALLY NOT FROM A PRIDEFUL AND ANGRY CATHOLIC WHO DEFENDS THE CATHOLIC DOCTRINE JUST TO DEFEND THE CATHOLIC DOCTRINE CAUSE IT’S PROBABLY WHAT YOU WAS BORN AND RAISED TO BELIEVE IN INSTEAD OF READING THE SCRIPTURES FOR WHAT IT SAYS SO THEREFORE IT’S OFFENSIVE TO YOU. WHAT I CARE ABOUT IS THE SCRIPTURES, READING THEM, AND UNDERSTANDING THEM , NOT THAT I’M INTENTIONALLY TRYING TO OFFEND ANYONE HERE, BUT THAT’S THE LEAST OF MY CONCERNS. MANY SCRIPTURES IS NOT ALWAYS THAT EASY TO UNDERSTAND, BUT THESE SCRIPTURES IN PARTICULAR IS A NO BRAINER.

    • TIM197834

      To your other comment about dates and times-

      Temple Destruction Foretold

      (Mark 13:1-9; Luke 21:5-9)

      1And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to [him] for to shew him the buildings of the temple. 2And Jesus said unto them, See ye {5720} not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

      3And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what [shall be] the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

      4And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.

      False Christs

      5For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many. 6And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all [these things] must come to pass, but the end is not yet. 7For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places. 8All these [are] the beginning of sorrows.

      Witnessing to All Nations

      (Mark 13:10-13; Luke 21:10-19)

      9Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name’s sake. 10And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another. 11And many FALSE prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many. 12And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold. 13But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. 14And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

      The Abomination of Desolation

      (Mark 13:14-23; Luke 21:20-24)

      15When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand {5625;2476:5761} in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand: ) 16Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains: 17Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house: 18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes. 19And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days! 20But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day: 21For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect’s sake those days shall be shortened. 23Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here [is] Christ, or there; believe [it] not. 24For there shall arise FALSE Christs, and FALSE prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if [it were] possible, they shall deceive the very elect. 25Behold, I have told you before.

      The Return of the Son of Man

      (Mark 13:24-27; Luke 21:25-28)

      26Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, [he is] in the secret chambers; believe [it] not. 27For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 28For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.

      29Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

      The lesson of the Fig Tree

      (Mark 13:28-31; Luke 21:29-33)

      32Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer [is] nigh: 33So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know {5720} that it is near, [even] at the doors.

      Be Ready at Any Hour

      (Genesis 6:1-7; Mark 13:32-37; Luke 12:35-48)

      36But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. 37But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 38For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, 39And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 40Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. 41Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left. AS JESUS SAID NO MAN KNOWS THE DAY OR HOUR, BUT HE DID GIVE US SIGNS AND SEASONS AND WOULD NOT OF OFFERED TO GIVE US TIMES OR SEASONS IF HE DID NOT INTEND FOR US TO DISCERN THE TIMES WE ARE LIVING IN AND HOW CLOSE WE ARE FOR THE RETURN OF OUR LORD. I AGREE WE SHOULD NOT SET DATES, BUT IS NOT WRONG TO KEEP WATCH FOR THE TIME IS APPROACHING AND MANY SCRIPTURES ARE BEING FULFILLED TODAY MORE THEN ANY TIME BEFORE AS FAR AS REVELATION IS CONCERNED. THE LORD DID NOT REBUKE THE DICIPLES FOR ASKING WHEN THE END WOULD BE, INSTEAD HE OFFERED US CLUES. WOULD JESUS BOTHERED SAYING ANY OF THESE THINGS IF HE DIDN’T WANT US TO KEEP WATCH SO THAT WE WOULD KNOW WHEN THE TIME IS APPROACHING, AS JESUS SAID………. EVEN AT THE DOOR?

  • Thomas Poovathinkal SSP

    “The “Whore of Babylon” refers to how the Jewish priesthood has become a
    “whore” or “prostitute” providing her intimate services not to God but
    to pagan Rome.”

    To be truthful and to be relevant to our own life and times, The Whore of Babylon, is alive and continued among us through Christian Priesthood which was received by the DIVISION of APOSTLESHIP. By DIVIDING APOSTLESHIP today we have so many BISHOPS and PRIESTS who do not function practically like those 12 (or plus : The 72 and Saul who became Paul THE APOSTLE) APOSTLES of The Lord. In this we are like those in Luke 7: 29 ff i.e. people who refused to enter THE KINGDOM; and for this reason THE KINGDOM is not Proclaimed and promoted….with signs and wonder i.e. the signs of The Kingdom. If at all some are found doing it, they are despised as “Charismatics”.

  • Teresa Davis

    The whole book of Revelation? That would be great!

  • Steven Paul

    Interesting. I guess I get tripped up by the author’s literal words that he’s writing about, “things that were, that are, and that are to come.” As John says he wrote the book when he was imprisoned on the island of Patmos sometime in the very early 2nd century, and he lays out which events happen in which of those 3 rubrics, you seem to have forced future events into the past. I think I’ll stick with his words, not yours.

  • Anderson Thomas

    Here is the problem: Dr. Taylor is a secular human with a temporal education and title trying to figure out and explain the book of revelations. And what is his applied method, his own human reason.! This is Protestantism at it best. Dr. this and Dr. that pastor this and pastor that. As if the Dr. this and pastor that are somehow an anointed prophet of God. How do we come to understand what mystical passages mean. Through reveled truth. Truth Revealed to mystics whom God has chosen. Mystics often are little*children or illiterate holy souls. Truths which can them be examined by educated and trained theologians of the true catholic faith and its apostolic traditions. Can we say Hal Lindsey, Jack Van Imp, Charles Tazz Russel of “Jehovah witness fame” or Herbert w Armstrong, to name a few. So on and on throughout history goes a parade of failed false revelations prophets. I am not disrespecting Dr. Taylor I know nothing of him. He might be an awesome soul and a bright individual. Nonetheless as for myself I will stick to revealed truth not academic speculation. Catholic theologian or otherwise.

  • Jim Carroll

    I would love to hear your opinion on the interpretations provided by Emmett O’Regan in his book “Unveiling The Apocalypse: Prophecy in Catholic Tradition.” (He also has a blog by that title.) He recently wrote the tract “The End of the World: What Catholics Believe” for the (British) Catholic Truth Society

  • Riki

    WHO WILL CRY FOR YOU, AMERICA ?

    I, will cry you a river

    And much much more

    My dear dear America,

    Once so beautiful !

    You sold your soul

    To a bunch of mercenaries

    Which entered your sheep-fold

    As wolves and goats

    You sold your skin

    To the highest bidder

    You resemble a harlot

    The new BABYLON

    Eating and drinking

    With the rich of this world

    Prostituting yourself

    For money and power

    And became a den

    Of thieves and murderers

    You forgot all about

    The One Who blessed

    You so abundantly

    Biting the Hand of the Blesser

    Embarrassed to mention His Name !

    Did He not teach you

    To be wise as a serpent

    And harmless as a dove

    Why then do you behave

    As a silly goose ??

    He invited you to His dinner Table

    He so diligently prepared

    But, you made light of it

    And went your worldly, haughty ways

    One to his farm,

    Another to his business.

    But as the Father of Fathers

    He waits for your return

    The return of His prodigal daughter

    WAKE UP, AMERICA !!!

    Humble your pride

    And follow the Way, the Life and the Truth !!!

    Or, I SHALL cry you a river

    A river of bloody tears

    And much much more !!!

    Rita Biesemans 02/17/2003

  • GranLori

    I do a nodenominational bible study and next year we will be studying Revelation. I have learned much about Jesus, but more, how to defend our faith… What ammunition can you offer? Oh, I am very Catholic…

  • TIM197834

    Revelation 17 –
    1 And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters:2 With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication.3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:5 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.7 And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns.8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.15 And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.16 And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.17 For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.

    Isaiah 1:21 – How is the faithful city become a harlot! it was full of judgment; righteousness lodged in it; but now murderers. MY COMMENTS : THESE 2 SCRIPTURES IS OBVIOUSLY REFERRING TO THE VATICAN AND ROME IN THE LAST DAYS . 17:1-2 The Judgment of the Harlot of Babylon: Chapters 17, 18 and part of 19 deal with the judgment of Babylon the Great. In Revelation 17:1-6 The crimes for which God executes judgment upon the harlot, the Roman Papal system, are enumerated; in 17:7-18 her punishment and the means by which it will come to pass is pronounced. She is called “The Great Whore.” According to Ephesians 5, Jesus is the spiritual husband of the church; therefore if a church unites with or receives favors of one who is not her husband, she commits spiritual adultery. The “kings of the earth” represent civil powers. When churches lose the power of the gospel to transform hearts and lives they turn to the power of the state to support their doctrines and thus they commit spiritual fornication. The “many waters” are the countless people (vs. 15) she has deceived and “made drunk” with her doctrines. 2. -6 The main difference between the beast of Revelation 13 and the combined power represented by the beast and the woman here is that a distinction is made between the religious and political aspects of Papal power. The “scarlet colored beast” represents the governments. The woman—the apostate church—rides upon the beast, symbolizing the church controlling the state. In contrast to the pure church of Revelation 12 this woman is “arrayed in purple and scarlet…with gold” and jewelry. 3. She is a part of “Babylon,” the great city that Satan has set up in opposition to the New Jerusalem of God. The Roman Catholic Church has proudly styled herself as “The Mother Church,” but here she is called “The Mother of Harlots.” From the mother have come the various Protestant denominations which profess to be clean and pure, vehemently rejecting the corruptions of the Catholic Church. But these churches have shown a distressing tendency to follow their mother’s example of sacrificing truth and the approval of God and to seek the power of the state to enforce doctrine, and thus they choose to become harlots with their mother. 4. She is truly “drunk with the blood of the saints.” History records the deeds of the papacy as it used the state to persecute and kill millions of faithful Christians during the Dark Ages. The Catholic Church has disguised herself with humble apologies for these actions, but she has not changed. The same spirit of persecution with again be exhibited against God’s faithful children who will not drink the wine of her corruption just before the second coming of Christ. 5. 17:7-11 The beast has “seven heads and ten horns.” The seven heads are said to be “seven mountains on which the woman sitteth” (vs. 9) and “seven kings” (vs.10). These heads are the same as the ones on the dragon of Revelation 12 and the beast of Revelation 13. They represent the great world empires which Satan uses to persecute God’s people. Five of these powers which have been noted in the books of Daniel and Revelation are Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece, Pagan Rome and Papal Rome. At the end of time, the power of Papal Rome is greater than ever, her deadly wound is healed and she again strongly persecutes God’s people as in former years. The revived Roman Catholic Church unites with apostate Protestants and spiritists to form a religious-political entity that is supported by the governments of the world. The historic center of Rome was built on seven hills and has been known since ancient times as the “City of Seven Hills.” The phrase “seven mountains on which the woman sitteth” also serves to link the “woman” with the city of Rome establishing her once again as the Roman Catholic Church. MORE COMMENTARY REGARDING MYSTERY BABYLON……….. What is the one church that people would look at with awe and wonder? The Roman Catholic Church, with all her splendor and pomp. Millions of people flock to the Vatican each year and wonder at the “majesty” and splendor of the place.IDENTITY 8 – Revelation 17:9 …’And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.’Does this match the Roman Catholic Church? Yes. The Vatican is situated in Rome, and early Rome was known as the city of seven hills. Those hills being, Aventine Hill; Caelian Hill; Capitoline Hill; Esquiline Hill; Palatine Hill; Quirinal Hill; Viminal Hill. Are there other cities around the world with seven hills? Yes, but when you take into account ALL of the other characteristics of Babylon the Great, then only the Roman Catholic Church matches them all perfectly.So who is the whore of Babylon? The Roman Catholic Church. No other church, religion, kingdom or institution matches her like the Papal Church of Rome does. And God is calling His people out of Babylon and the other fallen churches of the world (Babylon’s daughters).It’s not just the Roman Catholic Church that God is calling His people out of. There is a great ecumenical movement happening today that is uniting all churches and faiths together. So if your church accepts this ecumencial movement, then you need to come out of that church also. Revelation 17 says that Babylon has daughters, and her daughters are the Protestant churches that came out of the Roman Catholic Church during the reformation. But are now heading back to Rome! Please heed the call! ARRAYED IN PURPLE AND SCARLET IS THE OFFICIAL COLORS OF THE CARDINALS & BISHOPS , HOLDING A GOLDEN CUP IN HER HAND FILLED WITH ABOMINATIONS = THE GOLDEN CUP THE VATICAN USES DURING MASS. ALL OF THIS SHOULD BE PLENTY ENOUGH HERE TO UNDERSTAND AND REALIZE WHO AND WHAT THE SCRIPTURES IS REFERRING TO.

  • TIM197834

    Taylor Marshall, my last post starting with Revelation 13:12 THE SECOND BEAST is accurate according to historical facts and Biblical Scripture and I provided the source from which the info came from……… The Jesuit Oath of Induction is also recorded in the Congressional Record of the U.S.A. (House Bill 1523, Contested election case of Eugene C. Bonniwell, against Thos. S. Butler, Feb. 15, 1913, pp. 3215-3216) It can also be found in the book entitled, “Subterranean Rome” by Charles Didier translated from the French and published in New York in 1843. Dr. are you going to censor Historical Facts from the Congressional Record of the U.S.A ? and for posting Biblical scriptures and my interpretation? Also, I quoted Pope Frances in his own words. are you going to censor me cause it does not conform to your belief? because I assure you that I have not cursed, used any profanity, slurs, or any name calling or insults, nor would I do such a thing. I’m simply sharing scripture, my interpretations, Historical Facts, quotes, opinion, perspective or views. that being said, are you going to censor me because I don’t agree with Catholicism or your interpretation of scripture ? I don’t know anything about you, but I would at least hope that you are for free speech, and the right to agree or disagree.

  • TIM197834

    My final comment is this, As a Baptist Christian, I Love ALL my Christian brothers and sisters and even though I don’t agree with the doctrines of Catholicism and I made my point is to why, I still Love many of my Catholic brothers and sisters in Christ cause I know that even though I disagree with Catholic doctrine, does NOT mean that there isn’t many good Christian Catholics who truly and in sincerity believe in Jesus Christ the Lord. Yeshua The King Of Kings and Lord of Lords. The Death, Burial, and Resurrection. The Father, The Son, and The Holy Ghost. The difference is we Protestants believe that we are saved by Grace through Faith and through Christ alone for our Salvation, not through the Pope or the Priest. we believe in a personal relationship with Jesus and we believe you don’t need anyone else for that. by Faith through CHRIST alone and is backed up by many scriptures. obviously there are many differences between Catholic and Protestant Doctrine, but God knows mans hearts and it is the Lord who is the Judge, NOT me or anyone else. I pray for you all, God Bless. regarding Mystery Babylon and the women = CHURCH who sitteth on a scarlet couloured beast full of names of Blasphemy, having seven heads and 10 horns. And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet color, and adorned with gold and precious stones and pearls (man-made adornments as opposed to the good woman, adorned with the stars, etc.) having a golden cup in her hand (used in the sanctuary service – mocking God) full of abominations and filthiness of her adulteries. COMMENT- I FIRMLY BELIEVE THIS IS REFERRING TO ROME AND THE VATICAN 200% SURE OF IT. my ONLY intent was to point out who and what the scriptures was referring to on this topic of discussion and should no way be taken PERSONAL OR OFFENSIVE by my Christian Catholic brothers and sisters. I pray that you all be humble enough and willing to consider the possibility that I may be right according to Scripture and that I have explained a good case for this possibility and I pray that you have discernment, God Bless You All, In Jesus Name. Amen. PS. before anyone comments about whether I thought of the possibility that I may be wrong, my answer is absolutely ! I have given this plenty of thought and I have also prayed on it only to have the same convincing and as for me….. an obvious, plain and simple understanding and explanation on who the Angel of the Lord was talking about in Revelation 17. Rome and the Vatican. I highly doubt I’m wrong, but if I am …….. God Forgive me.

  • Leah

    13:3 ‘One of its heads seemed to have a mortal wound, but its mortal wound was healed. The whole earth marvelled as they followed the beast’.
    One of the heads is Osama Bin Laden, granted with a royal pardon. His second coming is as Pope Francis though not by dive intervention.

  • Leah

    13:3 ‘One of its heads seemed to have a mortal wound, but its mortal wound was healed. The whole earth marvelled as they followed the beast’. – I interpret this as Osama Bin Laden.

  • Leah

    International human trafficking is booming for purposes of child abuse, sexual slavery, forced labour, forced surrogacy, organ removal etc.